(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[5x40 byo-yomi] PW[CrazyStone]PB[fj]BR[6d]DT[2014-10-25]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[CrazyStone [-\]: GTP Engine for CrazyStone (white): Crazy Stone version http://remi.coulom.free.fr/CrazyStone/ fj [6d\]: enjoy the game Ootakamoku [4d?\]: todays important game :) ]RE[B+Resign] ;B[pd]BL[3579.799]C[gogonuts [5d\]: gogo fj ] ;W[dp]WL[3561.462]C[NiceGoAuth [-\]: let the party begin:) ] ;B[oq]BL[3551.114]C[dxxd [1k\]: fj wins, no problemo ] ;W[dd]WL[3523.119]C[ofbusy [3d\]: pretty even in the series so far gogonuts [5d\]: all games sofar have been hard struggles for fj gogonuts [5d\]: can be happy to lead Ootakamoku [4d?\]: this is great, I just prepared food, now I can enjoy it while watching the game :) ] ;B[fc]BL[3510.58]C[jinroo [2d?\]: is it BO5 ? dxxd [1k\]: the first one in my opinion was different gogonuts [5d\]: lol, oota - pizza, beer and crazystone dxxd [1k\]: fj's play felt half-hearted ] ;W[cf]WL[3484.292]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: the theme of the games have been that CS gets the upperhand and then fj manages to turn it around because CS stumbles ] ;B[jd]BL[3487.705]C[Muttley [2k\]: what is the score in the match please? rsun [5d\]: cs will kakari rsun [5d\]: 2-1 ] ;W[hc]WL[3445.715]C[rsun [5d\]: gasp gogonuts [5d\]: when the bot gets full board connectivity in a position that looks fair to us humans, that means trouble rsun [5d\]: that's too early, dudue Muttley [2k\]: thank you Ootakamoku [4d?\]: h17 is lol Ootakamoku [4d?\]: almost impossible to justifty that move gogonuts [5d\]: cs a little trigger happy here :-) Vogel [?\]: interessant :-) Muttley [2k\]: I have no beer :( ofbusy [3d\]: i expect r4 rsun [5d\]: h16 normal gogonuts [5d\]: ladder are good for w, so it's not unplayable IvanD [3d\]: instant h16 Rio [2k\]: f15-good Ootakamoku [4d?\]: I ran out of pepsi, so had to take cofein pills to stave off my headache gogonuts [5d\]: when all is said and done, imo h16 Muttley [2k\]: yeha, just settle Ootakamoku [4d?\]: h16 looks like a nobrainer Ootakamoku [4d?\]: w has both ladders tho, but still its no good Muttley [2k\]: yeah, I mean rsun [5d\]: maybe cs knows fj doesn't like moyo enufo3 [2k\]: pepsi doesn't have caffeine anyway. Ootakamoku [4d?\]: b will have easier time handling topright gogonuts [5d\]: b not so happy about w wedging, but it has to be ok for b Muttley [2k\]: the interesting thing is why CS came up with this- whether it is in the review of games, or whether it has generated it independently rsun [5d\]: b is thinking where he should play after b k15 w f16 Ootakamoku [4d?\]: pepsi max to be precise, and it contains 180mg per 1.5littre bottle, which is roughly two cups of coffee worth of caffein ] ;B[hd]BL[3289.871]C[gogonuts [5d\]: muttley, your overthinking it :-) Muttley [2k\]: hehe :) enufo3 [2k\]: I only know pepsi-classic enufo3 [2k\]: :[ Muttley [2k\]: my point was, if it is in the database, it has a follow up ] ;W[id]WL[3406.15]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: muttley, h17 is local shape point, almost only move locally that can be played ] ;B[ie]BL[3282.647]C[Muttley [2k\]: sure Ootakamoku [4d?\]: so it was worth reading, and apparently CS playouts got a good result from it, but they shouldnt ] ;W[ic]WL[3386.583]C[Muttley [2k\]: makes sense, I can't see it being a popular choice ] ;B[jc]BL[3278.716]C[gogonuts [5d\]: there's a brand new pepsi - no calories, no caffeine, no taste, no color - called pepsi tap ] ;W[gd]WL[3367.157] ;B[he]BL[3276.709]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: gogonuts, it was my choice today rsun [5d\]: if b q10 afterwards, how to respond to w r4 ] ;W[gc]WL[3347.489]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: rsun, pincer ] ;B[kf]BL[3269.735]C[Muttley [2k\]: so ... yes ofbusy [3d\]: no problemo for w here imo barakeel [4d\]: how much did white lose here? Ootakamoku [4d?\]: or maybe b could just q5 in response to r4.. then take sente to extend to f3 rsun [5d\]: cs may tenuki out of the blue Ootakamoku [4d?\]: l14 sente against topleft position Muttley [2k\]: 15 points maybe? ] ;W[po]WL[3308.498]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: b d17 hurts too much ] ;B[qp]BL[3257.567]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: b will strive to get sente here ] ;W[qo]WL[3289.013] ;B[pp]BL[3252.707]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: even worse, w makes a heavy group here Ootakamoku [4d?\]: so b will have ko threats too Ootakamoku [4d?\]: whats up with q4? is that normal mvoe? fab [4d\]: black won't, as this is very probably a blind spot for the program Muttley [2k\]: why should w be heavy? just the usual P5 and extension ] ;W[no]WL[3250.627]C[Muttley [2k\]: heh rsun [5d\]: q4 is joseki barakeel [4d\]: and o 5? rsun [5d\]: not o5 Muttley [2k\]: o5 I don't know Ootakamoku [4d?\]: muttle, group is heavy, as in white cannot let it die, its not all that weak, but because its heavy, black has threats against it Ootakamoku [4d?\]: you cannot play threats against light groups ] ;B[pj]BL[3207.291]C[Muttley [2k\]: sure, I just thought w would get q8 or r8 barakeel [4d\]: n3 rsun [5d\]: remi already fell asleep ofbusy [3d\]: r17 seems logical here Ootakamoku [4d?\]: b can for example use p6 as a threat ] ;W[mq]WL[3212.281]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: d17 now pls Muttley [2k\]: p6 is a bit of a thank you move, though rsun [5d\]: it's what the germans call a vielen-dank move Vogel [?\]: :-) Ootakamoku [4d?\]: b can start ko threats with n4 Leonidas [2k\]: I hope fj doesn't get overconfident just because he's leading the series Muttley [2k\]: merci beaucoup, I suspect barakeel [4d\]: how is the score? Muttley [2k\]: 2-1 to fj gogonuts [5d\]: f3 seems reasonable to me enufo3 [2k\]: what ko, oota? Leonidas [2k\]: no room for slack play on fj's part BOThater36 [4d\]: predic 3-1 fj Ootakamoku [4d?\]: why that side? I would prefere c6 Ootakamoku [4d?\]: because of n3 weakneses bottom seems less interesting Ootakamoku [4d?\]: enufo3, d17 leads to ko with d17 c17 e16 d18 e18 gogonuts [5d\]: a weakness makes it *less* intersting? Muttley [2k\]: c6 f3 makes it harder to use the cut, doesn't it Muttley [2k\]: cs might pincer anyway if b c6 enufo3 [2k\]: I thought b would just push up at f16, but I guess letting w connect easily is bad Ootakamoku [4d?\]: muttley, sure, but n3 is a bit light on its own, imoprtant is that its also weak, so b can take yose with n2 or easily reduce from outside because of the weaknses Ootakamoku [4d?\]: which means bottom side contains very little potential for w fab [4d\]: OOtaakamoku : in fact, ko is not the most painful, black can connect instead of playing E18 Muttley [2k\]: ahh ok, I thought you wanted to cut it Ootakamoku [4d?\]: fab, ya, many variations, but ko is better if can afford it, no? ] ;B[qd]BL[2968.668]C[gogonuts [5d\]: very big gogonuts [5d\]: but i dont agree Muttley [2k\]: cs lost its connect :( CrazyStone [-\]: GTP Engine for CrazyStone (white): Crazy Stone version http://remi.coulom.free.fr/CrazyStone/ RemiCoulom [4k?\]: There was a network problem apparently. enufo3 [2k\]: B+segmentation fault Muttley [2k\]: thx Ootakamoku [4d?\]: remi, what does CS think of this position overall? also, does it think it will keep topleft? ] ;W[nj]WL[3173.86]C[DasWiesel [8k\]: dat moyo rsun [5d\]: cs moyo mode activate Leonidas [2k\]: remi changed bots. gnugo will now pummel fj! gogonuts [5d\]: lol gogonuts [5d\]: r16 bringing the hay in too early, imo Ootakamoku [4d?\]: o10 looks very nice RemiCoulom [4k?\]: 55% win rate. rsun [5d\]: q12 is honte like r16 enufo3 [2k\]: r16 is confident power-gote ofbusy [3d\]: i like o10 RemiCoulom [4k?\]: SEVERE: Unexpected disconnect: Error "Software caused connection abort: recv failed" while communicating with server. You must log in again. RemiCoulom [4k?\]: never happened before. ] ;B[nk]BL[2862.898]C[Muttley [2k\]: I get the same message, my network kicks me every so often rsun [5d\]: oh end of fuseki dxxd [1k\]: remi, any stats available from the previous games? win rate graphs or smth Ootakamoku [4d?\]: its the NSA man in the middle attack that triggers that, nothing to worry about. rsun [5d\]: my fuseki takes twice as many moves ] ;W[mk]WL[3135.229]C[RemiCoulom [4k?\]: dxxd: I am too lazy to prepare them. They are not very interesting when Crazy Stone loses. Only shows how it misunderstands the position. Muttley [2k\]: I'd say this is still fuseki, there are still unanswered questions on the left Ootakamoku [4d?\]: dont really like topright position for b, w can basilly still invade there somerwhere or make major reduction enufo3 [2k\]: nah, first fight starts=middle game Ootakamoku [4d?\]: and I cant see a pretty move for b to fix it all rsun [5d\]: they may start a crazy fight here Muttley [2k\]: they may Muttley [2k\]: but cs is good whole board, so it won't see it like that dxxd [1k\]: all right, though the misunderstanding part is somewhat interesting gogonuts [5d\]: i think b has to fix at p9 ] ;B[ok]BL[2775.757]C[rsun [5d\]: p9 is honte Muttley [2k\]: m10? Muttley [2k\]: or just connect? barakeel [4d\]: n10 or m8 or tenuki? rsun [5d\]: maybe n10 ] ;W[ml]WL[3095.734]C[rsun [5d\]: cut rsun [5d\]: when bot offers you a quadrant, take it ] ;B[mj]BL[2752.647]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: remi, I installed software to emulate android environment on my pc (6 core 3.3GHz) , then installed championgo on it, it utterly destroyes me in 9x9 now, I cant find a winning sequence even if I spend hours using undo, on my phone I had something like 15% winrate against it playing even. gogonuts [5d\]: fighting looks like overplay for w rsun [5d\]: so you still win sometimes ] ;W[lj]WL[3056.088]C[gogonuts [5d\]: i think just from the outside barakeel [4d\]: before ] ;B[mi]BL[2748.195]C[gogonuts [5d\]: one more push gogonuts [5d\]: and then a migic moyo move gogonuts [5d\]: magic IvanD [3d\]: w is happy to give b 1/4 of the board ofbusy [3d\]: b cant be unhappy here its huge Ootakamoku [4d?\]: not sure w really wanst to push here rsun [5d\]: magic moyo move is e7 Ootakamoku [4d?\]: without push still aji available in topright ] ;W[li]WL[3016.792]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: after push I think its all b territory Ootakamoku [4d?\]: and CS pushes.. rsun [5d\]: push along 8th line, that's the way to do it ] ;B[lh]BL[2728.987]C[fab [4d\]: it almost feels like game over already... gogonuts [5d\]: where does w go next? rsun [5d\]: sth like E7 gogonuts [5d\]: my guess before g9 was this sequence and then g4 rsun [5d\]: g4 is too low for cs RemiCoulom [4k?\]: R12 coming gogonuts [5d\]: but i didnt dare type it :-) Ootakamoku [4d?\]: this position looks hopeless for w RemiCoulom [4k?\]: no L12 Muttley [2k\]: this looks like a 20k+ strategy, who has learnt "connect your stones and make a moyo" gogonuts [5d\]: before p9 Ootakamoku [4d?\]: r12 should just die unconditionally ] ;W[kh]WL[2978.099]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: r12 r11 ] ;B[lg]BL[2714.367]C[ofbusy [3d\]: s10 is the best possible for w imo RemiCoulom [4k?\]: S10 now. Jazzman [1d\]: game lready over? rsun [5d\]: s10 now? that's too early gogonuts [5d\]: muttley, bots are on a quest to redefine "crude" as "common sense" Ootakamoku [4d?\]: jazzman, should be clear win for b yes Jazzman [1d\]: :-) Muttley [2k\]: ain't it just so, gogonuts ] ;W[rj]WL[2939.229]C[Muttley [2k\]: ole! Ootakamoku [4d?\]: b will even get sente here Ootakamoku [4d?\]: just play r11 what not, let w do its minor reudction, and then b gets c6 Muttley [2k\]: well, it would be a crime if w settled in sente barakeel [4d\]: you can already take sente Ootakamoku [4d?\]: brakeel, sure, but rather take it after r11 first played Ootakamoku [4d?\]: so w reduction smaller rsun [5d\]: b cannot tenuki barakeel [4d\]: why? rsun [5d\]: too much aji for a 6d barakeel [4d\]: ok ] ;B[fq]BL[2602.466]C[Jazzman [1d\]: q e d:) Ootakamoku [4d?\]: I guess b didnt want tor isk s10 becomming a probe rsun [5d\]: let's see how cs will make use of the aji Ootakamoku [4d?\]: r11 f4 would be frustrating ] ;W[hq]WL[2900.642] ;B[hp]BL[2590.992]C[Muttley [2k\]: ahh, h4, I thought just jump with f5 ] ;W[ip]WL[2879.68] ;B[gp]BL[2586.455]C[Moin9 [1k\]: f5 would enable to play both sides Moin9 [1k\]: for white Ootakamoku [4d?\]: muttley, general rule is, dont jump out unless you will be doing the attacking Moin9 [1k\]: here it can become tricky ^^ Ootakamoku [4d?\]: no way b would be the attacker after jump out ] ;W[dn]WL[2841.039]C[Moin9 [1k\]: yeah Muttley [2k\]: interesting, I've never come across that one before barakeel [4d\]: standard move to have an easier fight Muttley [2k\]: the one I know is "attack with the knight's move, run with the one point jump" rsun [5d\]: cs will get sente ] ;B[dr]BL[2544.799]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: I think the move to expect instead of h4 would be d6 Muttley [2k\]: I wondered about a double kakari Ootakamoku [4d?\]: d2 was played because b wants to conserve j5? ] ;W[io]WL[2802.5]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: and apparently w wanted to have j5 too :P ] ;B[cq]BL[2526.874]C[Muttley [2k\]: cs doesn't really dance to the opponent's tune ofbusy [3d\]: r10 rsun [5d\]: because cs stands for counterstrike ] ;W[gn]WL[2763.458]C[barakeel [4d\]: white is very thin rsun [5d\]: thin like my chin Muttley [2k\]: thin like tin barakeel [4d\]: is l11 a problem? Muttley [2k\]: I vote yes, bad aji ] ;B[nm]BL[2396.212]C[ofbusy [3d\]: b wants to swallow s10 ] ;W[qi]WL[2724.704]C[gogonuts [5d\]: not ws plan though :-) rsun [5d\]: r11 makes o7 a bad move Jazzman [1d\]: so sad :-( barakeel [4d\]: really gogonuts [5d\]: b n7 is big too though barakeel [4d\]: but white sill cut no? ] ;B[pi]BL[2293.295] ;W[mh]WL[2686.153] ;B[ni]BL[2281.324]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: o7 wasnta b it greedy? barakeel [4d\]: o7 seemed good gogonuts [5d\]: greedy is too harsh imo gogonuts [5d\]: flexible :-) ] ;W[nh]WL[2647.36]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: ok ] ;B[oi]BL[2272.867]C[fab [4d\]: hmmm fab [4d\]: White has another of his weird plans ^^ rsun [5d\]: p17 Leonidas [2k\]: bot has something planned ] ;W[cp]WL[2608.412]C[rsun [5d\]: lol longshanks [17k?\]: I thought the bot only plans from the current position. i.e. no long term plan NiceGoAuth [-\]: just put some aji into place longshanks [17k?\]: monte carlo sb2046 [6k\]: i agree to longshanks ] ;B[rl]BL[2217.184]C[barakeel [4d\]: was it a sacrifice rsun [5d\]: g12 is the magic move gogonuts [5d\]: they dont really have plans at all, because a plan needs goals, which they dont have gogonuts [5d\]: unless you count "winning" :-) ] ;W[qf]WL[2569.435]C[ofbusy [3d\]: lets see qpax [1d\]: winning is a nice plan Leonidas [2k\]: sure, don't take my comment literally :) barakeel [4d\]: seems very dead to me lapiz: why not play s9 first? Yadeehoo [7k?\]: gogo you make sense Ootakamoku [4d?\]: yadeehoo, you make it sound like its unexpected Yadeehoo [7k?\]: to make sense? NiceGoAuth [-\]: nicego reads it 50% dead, cs probably even not 100% dead barakeel [4d\]: no that gogo make sense fab [4d\]: winning is a bad idea, we need to teaach bots to take pleasure in watching butterflies and sleeping on grass rsun [5d\]: cs may reach kgs 7d fab [4d\]: then we have a chance to win at go Yadeehoo [7k?\]: I don't know I just arrived here ] ;B[qh]BL[2113.861]C[NiceGoAuth [-\]: this was nicegos move too Leonidas [2k\]: NiceGo, what does 50% dead mean? dead in 50% of playouts? ] ;W[rh]WL[2549.352] ;B[qj]BL[2112.53]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: leonidas, yes NiceGoAuth [-\]: yes longshanks [17k?\]: fab we need to teach some humans those pleasures too ;-) rsun [5d\]: it means 1/sqrt(2) (|life> + |death>) Yadeehoo [7k?\]: who's dead now bot? ] ;W[ri]WL[2529.868] ;B[re]BL[2107.903]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: why not ugly r13 before s15? NiceGoAuth [-\]: yes, rsun, but I dont have quantum computer availible today ] ;W[ph]WL[2510.336]C[rsun [5d\]: lol NiceGoAuth [-\]: nsa offeredt o much money for mine barakeel [4d\]: i think r13 was a better idea Ootakamoku [4d?\]: s14 is da move but.. dont like the investment b made here ] ;B[rf]BL[2057.242] ;W[qg]WL[2490.564]C[gogonuts [5d\]: w might be the one with the investment :-) barakeel [4d\]: do or die Yadeehoo [7k?\]: poor guy's only 6d, give him a break Ootakamoku [4d?\]: s13 s9 r8 p12 p14 r9 ] ;B[of]BL[2032.397]C[gogonuts [5d\]: boom ] ;W[nf]WL[2471.127]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: p14 first, sure didnt see that barakeel [4d\]: seems still dead to me Ootakamoku [4d?\]: nice idea barakeel [4d\]: but i cant read ofbusy [3d\]: nice move yes rsun [5d\]: listen to the blues, if you don't have the clues fab [4d\]: q14 Leonidas [2k\]: death % rising rapidly, I reckon :) fab [4d\]: and go all out Ootakamoku [4d?\]: p15 androgo [1d\]: p13 ] ;B[og]BL[1988.193]C[NiceGoAuth [-\]: I still have 50% dead rsun [5d\]: now w has r9 aji ] ;W[oh]WL[2451.464]C[fab [4d\]: yeah, white P12 is sente Yadeehoo [7k?\]: bot so stubborn, prettymuch kills the aji idea Ootakamoku [4d?\]: ya, bad idea giving w p12 barakeel [4d\]: as to s9 fab [4d\]: S9 now ofbusy [3d\]: its just dead imo fab [4d\]: alive after S9 :( Ootakamoku [4d?\]: w has m14 Ootakamoku [4d?\]: if b plays s9 fab [4d\]: p13 ws bad I think ] ;B[ng]BL[1946.851]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: s9 m14 l13 p15 q15 q14 o15 NiceGoAuth [-\]: I think so too, but cs is not sure too, otherwize would not play there?! ] ;W[rk]WL[2428.156] ;B[ql]BL[1941.55]C[gogonuts [5d\]: p13 may have blundered fab [4d\]: hmm ] ;W[qk]WL[2408.464]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: b neeeds the p6 peep fab [4d\]: what was black answer to R9 ? I probably missed something ^^ Ootakamoku [4d?\]: too late for it now tho gogonuts [5d\]: cut ] ;B[pk]BL[1917.459]C[Yadeehoo [7k?\]: mabe you know that one but how do you call a dear with no eyes? rsun [5d\]: oh semeai? barakeel [4d\]: dont see it yet ] ;W[nl]WL[2369.844]C[barakeel [4d\]: seem black can easily live? rsun [5d\]: I don't think so qpax [1d\]: where's the easy eye? rsun [5d\]: in any case, this will be a short game ] ;B[pm]BL[1860.344]C[Yadeehoo [7k?\]: no eye dear NiceGoAuth [-\]: you think so, did w loose a lot by trying this? beermonsta [5d\]: seems w leads 1 lib sb2046 [6k\]: no, one eye barakeel [4d\]: s6 is an eye ] ;W[ol]WL[2349.509] ;B[pl]BL[1857.708]C[jinroo [2d?\]: b played p13 too fast I think rsun [5d\]: Ei is pronounced as eye, but it means egg gogonuts [5d\]: i think w cuts off o7 in sente and the game continues :-) CrazyStone [-\]: GTP Engine for CrazyStone (white): Crazy Stone version http://remi.coulom.free.fr/CrazyStone/ fab [4d\]: black p7 n7 o6 has too much aji gogonuts [5d\]: good for w actually beermonsta [5d\]: s7? fab [4d\]: black will win this semeia gogonuts [5d\]: because bs corner wont do well BOThater36 [4d\]: CS ahead of liberty ] ;W[om]WL[2317.669]C[BOThater36 [4d\]: by 1 dxxd [1k\]: if winrate > much, advertise :D rsun [5d\]: maybe cs kills corners instead ] ;B[ro]BL[1835.412]C[jinroo [2d?\]: no now alive and b+ ofbusy [3d\]: s5 fab [4d\]: S5 sure is confident ^^ rsun [5d\]: b has cut barakeel [4d\]: does that connect rs220675 [1d\]: I like black here...what's the % of cs? beermonsta [5d\]: s5 wants to compromise ] ;W[er]WL[2279.177]C[jinroo [2d?\]: ?? rsun [5d\]: s5 s6 r6 jinroo [2d?\]: doesnt compormise at all Yadeehoo [7k?\]: why tenuki here? jinroo [2d?\]: just connect and b very happy fab [4d\]: s6 r6 q6 t6 barakeel [4d\]: everything is connected beermonsta [5d\]: o3 is w sente barakeel [4d\]: maybe there is ko ] ;B[iq]BL[1786.455]C[ofbusy [3d\]: hm this seem strange jinroo [2d?\]: omg too fancy barakeel [4d\]: e3? jinroo [2d?\]: e3 and good for w I think ] ;W[rn]WL[2240.759]C[jinroo [2d?\]: locally ] ;B[qn]BL[1778.455]C[androgo [1d\]: not in my wildest dreams I'd have played j3 barakeel [4d\]: ok black connect NiceGoAuth [-\]: nicego played s6 with 66% winrate... gogonuts [5d\]: s5 was a fine tesuji, but w still tough overall rs220675 [1d\]: 66% for white? pipong [2d\]: tought so , how could you miss it all of tou ? NiceGoAuth [-\]: yes ] ;W[jq]WL[2202.04]C[gogonuts [5d\]: b i mean gogonuts [5d\]: sry rs220675 [1d\]: I do not see white leading, vice versa sb2046 [6k\]: s6 is kinda waste of ko threat ] ;B[eq]BL[1757.909]C[rsun [5d\]: j3 prevents w g3 PinotNoir [1d\]: 6k, wat do u know? fab [4d\]: CS doesn't care about ko threat, he can't read ko aat this point beermonsta [5d\]: s4 p5 t5 q6 r3 still fun? ] ;W[mg]WL[2163.63]C[PinotNoir [1d\]: w S4... b corner dead... olk1ry [7k\]: thx pinotnoir ] ;B[mf]BL[1745.775]C[barakeel [4d\]: read again indianayk [5d\]: i would rather have b than w at this point rsun [5d\]: remi, what's the winrate now? rs220675 [1d\]: i think this game has all the ingredients for a spanking of cs, more and more fj got into this series RemiCoulom [4k?\]: 57% jinroo [2d?\]: b soooo ahead ] ;W[ne]WL[2124.697]C[ofbusy [3d\]: j3 is skillfull but w e3 could have been a problem ] ;B[oe]BL[1729.708]C[olk1ry [7k\]: s4 p5 t5 q6 s5 p6 rs220675 [1d\]: 57% for white? what do danplayers say? I see black ahead quite comfortably since he has a huge corner and the left side is still wide open ] ;W[jb]WL[2085.329]C[gogonuts [5d\]: i worry for b rsun [5d\]: that's the human perspective Ootakamoku [4d?\]: 57% makes no sense.. its like either assuming w p12 lives, which it wont do, or its assuming that w ges everythibng on the left and center, and keeps topleft, which seems totaly impossible too ] ;B[kb]BL[1703.093]C[gogonuts [5d\]: but he has won other tough games beermonsta [5d\]: if w still has aji at s4 then it seems possible for w cjr [3d\]: what is there to worry about? indianayk [5d\]: i would give b 65% beermonsta [5d\]: i think there could be a ko in corner after s4 p5 t5 q6 r3 gogonuts [5d\]: w has huge potential rs220675 [1d\]: i agree with indiana ] ;W[kc]WL[2045.904]C[rats [2d?\]: white f13 and try and kill anything inside ofbusy [3d\]: w has huge potential to lose the game imo :) ] ;B[kd]BL[1693.927]C[gogonuts [5d\]: cool Ootakamoku [4d?\]: how is this not desperation rs220675 [1d\]: @gogo: where is this potential? white is wide open on the left side barakeel [4d\]: make j18 more sente ofbusy [3d\]: m15 trick ? kendama [3k\]: s4 t5 t4 p5 t6 s5 cjr [3d\]: yeah, desperation, bot is not looking to make s18 sente rats [2d?\]: i'm sure white was wanting k15 atari then PinotNoir [1d\]: CS, Zen, Ginselgo, who is strongest? ] ;W[jf]WL[2006.62]C[qpax [1d\]: zen rs220675 [1d\]: cs gogonuts [5d\]: i dont sense desperation here rsun [5d\]: cs CuTy [2k\]: uhm cs thepaper [2d?\]: cs gogonuts [5d\]: more like opportunistic fooling around CuTy [2k\]: but cs play too long CuTy [2k\]: too slow PinotNoir [1d\]: tat is not an issue... rsun [5d\]: it can play fast rs220675 [1d\]: now cs is trying to get his huge central moyo ] ;B[je]BL[1650.411]C[YesChoboco [?\]: wow CuTy [2k\]: i think one move 1 min 40s rsun [5d\]: it's playing a slow game to accomodate humans ;) rsun [5d\]: accommodate* ] ;W[ge]WL[1968.218]C[beermonsta [5d\]: silly humans barakeel [4d\]: c10 and game over CuTy [2k\]: s11 too big PinotNoir [1d\]: n maybe w kill C10? beermonsta [5d\]: fj seems to like crazy, maybe he try d7 rsun [5d\]: c10 b9 rats [2d?\]: time for blacks winning move ] ;B[hg]BL[1577.019]C[cjr [3d\]: but that still makes c10 a good exchange rs220675 [1d\]: c10 would be an fighting opportunity for white, I'd like a lighter way to get in rs220675 [1d\]: like h13 first^^ gogonuts [5d\]: w center also a big problem rsun [5d\]: if w only gets 6th line territory, then b wins ] ;W[hh]WL[1929.729]C[rs220675 [1d\]: c17 is also still possible PinotNoir [1d\]: since R9 dead... ] ;B[gf]BL[1555.787]C[gogonuts [5d\]: w emphasising the center :-) barakeel [4d\]: white want eleven line territory PinotNoir [1d\]: b juz need a decent reduction jinroo [2d?\]: @gogo do you realize how many points w needs right now ? rats [2d?\]: i bet if b gets a ko in the top left, crazystone will malfunction ofbusy [3d\]: g12 PinotNoir [1d\]: MC bots seem weak at ko gogonuts [5d\]: theses bots get points in the strangest places :-) DasWiesel [8k\]: winrate? ] ;W[dq]WL[1891.336]C[RemiCoulom [4k?\]: Obviously Crazy Stone is avoiding the bottom right because the playouts give a large chance for R9 to survive. ] ;B[br]BL[1542.612]C[jinroo [2d?\]: looks still dificult to me :) cjr [3d\]: G12 is necessary RemiCoulom [4k?\]: 55% xerxes [1k\]: maybe its easier for crazystone gogonuts [5d\]: actually, this horizon behavour often hurts bots Warfreak2 [4d\]: what is the record of this match so far? DasWiesel [8k\]: coinflip + 5% confidence :) rs220675 [1d\]: but r9 is dead so cs is wrong there, right? ] ;W[cr]WL[1852.825]C[RemiCoulom [4k?\]: It goes down every move, and it plays pointless sente. ] ;B[cs]BL[1538.067]C[gogonuts [5d\]: ah rsun [5d\]: 2-1 ] ;W[bq]WL[1833.082]C[RemiCoulom [4k?\]: But I am not strong enough. gogonuts [5d\]: c2 was a really mood lifter for b :-) rs220675 [1d\]: cs in desperation modus already^^ ] ;B[cr]BL[1528.72]C[PinotNoir [1d\]: isnt this the 4th game? weiqi5 [6k?\]: yes rsun [5d\]: yes, so 3 have been played gogonuts [5d\]: but didnt really matter, so hard to judge rs220675 [1d\]: if fj wins today the series is over RemiCoulom [4k?\]: Maybe it makes a huge enough moyo. Warfreak2 [4d\]: fj won 2? weiqi5 [6k?\]: 2-1 for fj so far cjr [3d\]: J2 is sente though, and then G12 barakeel [4d\]: what is e1? cjr [3d\]: seems sensible, although not sure J2 is necessary gogonuts [5d\]: kadoban for cs, so it's a little nervous ] ;W[ih]WL[1794.224]C[barakeel [4d\]: ij ] ;B[gh]BL[1516.906]C[rs220675 [1d\]: I think in a pro game white would resign now, wouldn't u think? PinotNoir [1d\]: G12? barakeel [4d\]: pro gamer self atari so i don't think so ^^ xerxes [1k\]: in a pro game stones would have been in better places rsun [5d\]: j12 seems like meltdown GoRoGoRo [?\]: difficult to say as there are no pro games like this ^^ cjr [3d\]: J12 seems poor too, just too easy for B indianayk [5d\]: kadoban between 2 players? ] ;W[pn]WL[1755.85] ;B[sn]BL[1510.981]C[CuTy [2k\]: res? Warfreak2 [4d\]: q6 costs quite a bit Warfreak2 [4d\]: w could have s4 and lived in the corner PinotNoir [1d\]: omg CuTy [2k\]: ... PinotNoir [1d\]: wat w doing Warfreak2 [4d\]: b quite happy to t6 rs220675 [1d\]: s4 and ko? PinotNoir [1d\]: S4 still can live inside b corner Warfreak2 [4d\]: what ko ] ;W[qm]WL[1725.391]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: s4 s7 ] ;B[rm]BL[1504.278]C[CuTy [2k\]: res CuTy [2k\]: :v rs220675 [1d\]: oh...cs gets owned here...wow Warfreak2 [4d\]: s4 cannot live in the corner ] ;W[gi]WL[1705.207] ;B[fh]BL[1496.862]C[GoRoGoRo [?\]: 33%? rs220675 [1d\]: fj can make a käffchen now and chill through victory :) ] ;W[fi]WL[1684.895] ;B[eh]BL[1491.086]C[xerxes [1k\]: stats... Leonidas [2k\]: fj already watching tv... PinotNoir [1d\]: w enuf to win??? indianayk [5d\]: s4? i would have p5 Ootakamoku [4d?\]: no, w has nowher near enuf ] ;W[ei]WL[1645.382]C[rs220675 [1d\]: SE though sees white ahead by 40^^ xerxes [1k\]: b has a corner that almost makes half board PinotNoir [1d\]: look like big chunk to me weiqi5 [6k?\]: the white moyo seems to be a bit porous PinotNoir [1d\]: C17 still some aji? ] ;B[ch]BL[1464.199]C[cjr [3d\]: yeah, G12 was like trying to enclose something this is like pushing b into own moyo rsun [5d\]: all b needs to do is not to get drunk on the champagne Warfreak2 [4d\]: w will absorb b's stones by osmosis? enufo3 [2k\]: photosynthesis rsun [5d\]: w will secretly swap k15 stone xerxes [1k\]: ? Yadeehoo [7k?\]: now only + 22 enufo3 [2k\]: is the answer, to this position ] ;W[dh]WL[1606.535] ;B[dg]BL[1459.82]C[weiqi5 [6k?\]: cs thinks he can bleach the black stones inside his moyo ;) PinotNoir [1d\]: w need miracle to win xerxes [1k\]: bleach :) Ootakamoku [4d?\]: w has no moyo barakeel [4d\]: black resign Yadeehoo [7k?\]: Like a software update? rs220675 [1d\]: today cs looks like a 1k weiqi5 [6k?\]: the SE still supports CS. - Computers united! ] ;W[di]WL[1567.993] ;B[cg]BL[1456.641]C[xerxes [1k\]: a 1k which can beat your a** GoRoGoRo [?\]: I already waited for the SE joke to come CuTy [2k\]: but this 1k can't be beat by 3d CuTy [2k\]: :)) rs220675 [1d\]: or maybe fj makes him look like a 1k :) Yadeehoo [7k?\]: I'm 7k and I rock arse CuTy [2k\]: *beaten ] ;W[ff]WL[1529.103]C[rs220675 [1d\]: I think a 3d with bot knowledge coud do that gogonuts [5d\]: w looks like getting c11 gogonuts [5d\]: this will be close NiceGoAuth [-\]: This game is over for w I think, probably <40% ] ;B[eg]BL[1430.81]C[rsun [5d\]: is undo allowed if b misclicks? xerxes [1k\]: nice stat based on nth PinotNoir [1d\]: i doubt... ] ;W[ib]WL[1490.55]C[weiqi5 [6k?\]: oh PinotNoir [1d\]: misclick... is juz part of the game ] ;B[lc]BL[1418.708]C[rsun [5d\]: then that's fj's only challenge qpax [1d\]: w played a normal move qpax [1d\]: strange gogonuts [5d\]: w workin ghar dto get time for g11 rs220675 [1d\]: j2? cjr [3d\]: c11 is biggest gogonuts [5d\]: c11, sry ] ;W[qn]WL[1452.132]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: so w needs c11, and w needs to keep topleft, and then very good yose cjr [3d\]: wow, what a bad move :) ] ;B[rq]BL[1402.59]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: was r6 even sente>? gogonuts [5d\]: w tenaciously picking up nitty gritty endgame here and there jinroo [2d?\]: haha PinotNoir [1d\]: maybe not be jinroo [2d?\]: kind of yes ........... PinotNoir [1d\]: but if b ignore, very bad aji fab [4d\]: very cler immediate sente ;) CuTy [2k\]: j2 ? cjr [3d\]: yes, and then forgetting about C11... cjr [3d\]: it seems like a think CS would do ] ;W[hr]WL[1413.832]C[gogonuts [5d\]: tenuki was impossible gogonuts [5d\]: b would break RemiCoulom [4k?\]: 40% now. ] ;B[ir]BL[1384.264]C[xerxes [1k\]: yeah b ofbusy [3d\]: this isnt super sente enufo3 [2k\]: r6 was sente even at 10k level oota, shame on you rs220675 [1d\]: then c10 for black? ] ;W[is]WL[1375.491] ;B[bp]BL[1371.653]C[weiqi5 [6k?\]: but j2 is not quite sente, is it?! xerxes [1k\]: leaves k2 rsun [5d\]: nothing matters any more barakeel [4d\]: black just take points to be safe fab [4d\]: J2 prevented F2 ] ;W[bo]WL[1356.092]C[Vogel [?\]: br ] ;B[aq]BL[1367.753]C[CuTy [2k\]: c11 xerxes [1k\]: c11 is there for a while now PinotNoir [1d\]: safe win for b PinotNoir [1d\]: poor CS NiceGoAuth [-\]: f2 rs220675 [1d\]: why not c10? androgo [1d\]: f2 still possible xerxes [1k\]: c11 for w Ootakamoku [4d?\]: f2 is ko now ] ;W[df]WL[1317.28]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: f2 g2 g1 g3 f1 e1 weiqi5 [6k?\]: ok, now b can get into the moyo Warfreak2 [4d\]: uh rs220675 [1d\]: is an invasion at c17 still possible now? fab [4d\]: H1 insteaad of E1 ;) cjr [3d\]: black can take h2 through, no_ beermonsta [5d\]: h1 atari not matter? :p rats [2d?\]: of course Warfreak2 [4d\]: obviously b just captures h1 ] ;B[cj]BL[1322.301]C[CuTy [2k\]: f2 ? rs220675 [1d\]: nice...my move^^ weiqi5 [6k?\]: ok, farewell, moyo Ootakamoku [4d?\]: oh, duh beermonsta [5d\]: c11 b11 b12 then pray cjr [3d\]: w can cut this? xerxes [1k\]: moyo is still there gogonuts [5d\]: b is home now cjr [3d\]: B10 would have been safer rsun [5d\]: if w cut, sth will happen in the corner ] ;W[ci]WL[1278.781] ;B[bi]BL[1320.098]C[cjr [3d\]: yeah but no choice :), this is still bigger, makes one black move useless gogonuts [5d\]: but this cut will burn w in the corner, imo Ootakamoku [4d?\]: b can just live inside w moyo if w cuts? Warfreak2 [4d\]: i think b expects to live locally if w cuts at b10 Warfreak2 [4d\]: or even at b12 ] ;W[bh]WL[1240]C[gogonuts [5d\]: w would have to make the other cut ] ;B[bg]BL[1314.278]C[barakeel [4d\]: black can liven in the corner now ] ;W[bj]WL[1220.03] ;B[ah]BL[1311.692]C[gogonuts [5d\]: but fj said "i will come after your corner" :-) CuTy [2k\]: :)) xerxes [1k\]: c15 is big now weiqi5 [6k?\]: b9 or b14? gogonuts [5d\]: and still has a5 Yadeehoo [7k?\]: maybe black isn't so winning after all PinotNoir [1d\]: now C17 works? gogonuts [5d\]: so b10 instead of c10 would not have been interesting ] ;W[bk]WL[1180.778]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: b17 or c17? xerxes [1k\]: c17 ? Ootakamoku [4d?\]: er.. b16* GoRoGoRo [?\]: winrate please rats [2d?\]: c17 simple ] ;B[cc]BL[1284.252]C[ofbusy [3d\]: wow barakeel [4d\]: b16 gogonuts [5d\]: w must kill cjr [3d\]: w b16 PinotNoir [1d\]: B16... cjr [3d\]: seems like long shot though :) barakeel [4d\]: seem that black wants to make the game closer Ootakamoku [4d?\]: c16 ] ;W[dc]WL[1142.189]C[CuTy [2k\]: wow d17 weiqi5 [6k?\]: b needs to live or at least reduce, otherwise white would be big ] ;B[db]BL[1268.285]C[hooloovoo [3k?\]: 70 pts for w in center? xerxes [1k\]: its ko ? Ootakamoku [4d?\]: weiqi5, no, w dead on the right side rsun [5d\]: w 70 whole board weiqi5 [6k?\]: I know, but the center is big qpax [1d\]: not big enough ] ;W[cd]WL[1103.605]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: poor cs rsun [5d\]: b right half already 80 hooloovoo [3k?\]: rsun: how much b all over? ] ;B[bc]BL[1249.397]C[weiqi5 [6k?\]: I also think so, and anywah black will live hooloovoo [3k?\]: oops, you beat me rsun [5d\]: b approaching 90 ] ;W[eb]WL[1084.157]C[rats [2d?\]: white might g3 barakeel [4d\]: how to kill this shape ] ;B[ca]BL[1243.554]C[weiqi5 [6k?\]: not at all barakeel [4d\]: white resign? Amenophis [6k?\]: tripod group is not killable cjr [3d\]: g3 is kind of cute, could it be best move locally? ] ;W[le]WL[1045.291]C[rats [2d?\]: it's the move i would play for white Warfreak2 [4d\]: g3 is silly cjr [3d\]: why? weiqi5 [6k?\]: M14 ok? Warfreak2 [4d\]: unless you will cut at f4, it's basically dame PinotNoir [1d\]: b can G2... den F5 ] ;B[lf]BL[1191.555]C[CuTy [2k\]: b16 o2 f18 b6 ? cjr [3d\]: of course, so you cut... Warfreak2 [4d\]: and the f4 cut gives b a clamp at b6 barakeel [4d\]: f4 cannot be cut Warfreak2 [4d\]: just f5 is locally better for w ] ;W[ec]WL[1005.795]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: and b has sente Shusaku [3d\]: n1 ] ;B[nr]BL[1178.387]C[Pavlebl [3k\]: b15 CuTy [2k\]: ò very big cjr [3d\]: o2 was double sente... especially before r6 CuTy [2k\]: o2 Ootakamoku [4d?\]: w topleft ] ;W[ka]WL[967.359] ;B[la]BL[1173.205]C[xerxes [1k\]: w still very impressive how it manage to build this moyo dixxa: what after W f2 ? G2 does not seem to wor ] ;W[bf]WL[929.093]C[cjr [3d\]: can't be impresed without a win :) weiqi5 [6k?\]: a moyo with three star points - not bad! ;) dixxa: work ] ;B[ao]BL[1154.581]C[qpax [1d\]: f2 g2 works fine xerxes [1k\]: m2 then ? ] ;W[an]WL[890.618]C[Gigot [2k\]: big ko xerxes [1k\]: play the ko ? PinotNoir [1d\]: B6 weiqi5 [6k?\]: maybe not weiqi5 [6k?\]: why risk a ko? Gigot [2k\]: c5? Leonidas [2k\]: rich men don't play ko ] ;B[ap]BL[1118.097]C[enufo3 [2k\]: b14 threatening ko in the corner? weiqi5 [6k?\]: see ;) dixxa: hmm, f2, g2, g1,g3, f1 ? enufo3 [2k\]: ah, nvm xerxes [1k\]: rich men dont play go, they play wall street Gigot [2k\]: Are ko for poor people? BBigDaddy: w b18 ] ;W[if]WL[851.695]C[enufo3 [2k\]: b18 a18 b19 a16 lives rsun [5d\]: this ko is like buffet buying penny stocks ] ;B[hf]BL[1090.131]C[weiqi5 [6k?\]: and he's more into value investment... Warfreak2 [4d\]: it's more like buffett continuing to work long after he can afford to retire xerxes [1k\]: b5 is big ? YesChoboco [?\]: cs so good ] ;W[bm]WL[812.124]C[PinotNoir [1d\]: wat? xerxes [1k\]: m2 ? sb2046 [6k\]: lol PinotNoir [1d\]: C5 ] ;B[mr]BL[1077.998]C[androgo [1d\]: ?? Warfreak2 [4d\]: bot went loony pipong [2d\]: bot just say , he can win any ko ] ;W[lr]WL[773.804]C[YesChoboco [?\]: that was a bit huge Yadeehoo [7k?\]: bot was kinda winning before the top left Gigot [2k\]: N4 seems to work xerxes [1k\]: b +~15 ? ] ;B[co]BL[1051.524]C[gogonuts [5d\]: really over now PinotNoir [1d\]: ko... xerxes [1k\]: b +~20 ? rsun [5d\]: bot's idea is simple - it lures b to c5 so it could start a ko and hope b misclicks during a ko threat PinotNoir [1d\]: silly bot gogonuts [5d\]: useless b14 - doesnt threaten the corner dixxa: no, white still has f2 ] ;W[do]WL[735.488]C[rsun [5d\]: ok I was wrong qpax [1d\]: f2 does nothing qpax [1d\]: b is connected ] ;B[bn]BL[1035.548]C[xerxes [1k\]: f2 is threat Goprince [5d\]: local move is g3 PinotNoir [1d\]: poor w PinotNoir [1d\]: time to resign gogonuts [5d\]: b7 also showed cs not in the game anymore dixxa: like I said, f2, g2, g1,g3, f1 does something PinotNoir [1d\]: B7 shd be B6... wat is bot thinking gogonuts [5d\]: wrong protection ] ;W[nq]WL[696.662]C[weiqi5 [6k?\]: "not in the game" - sounds like a depressed human... :D Warfreak2 [4d\]: dixxa, spot the atari spiritburd [1d\]: Bots don't think. ] ;B[np]BL[1011.577]C[xerxes [1k\]: machines dont think, bots are machines... dixxa: which atari, Warfreak ? PinotNoir [1d\]: oh yeah... they run simulations.. jinroo [2d?\]: dixxa good try ] ;W[mp]WL[677.334]C[DasWiesel [8k\]: winrate? ] ;B[op]BL[1009.351]C[xerxes [1k\]: 100% jinroo [2d?\]: after your sequence w just died Goprince [5d\]: dixxa its a double ko gogonuts [5d\]: wont resign for a while with the playouts still giving false hope here and there Warfreak2 [4d\]: what double ko Warfreak2 [4d\]: there is no ko weiqi5 [6k?\]: can't be too low, otherwise he had resigned Warfreak2 [4d\]: the sequence is just nonsense BBigDaddy: g3 gogonuts [5d\]: congrats to fj enufo3 [2k\]: nobody can read here.. Warfreak2 [4d\]: b captures at h1 and then w is all dead gogonuts [5d\]: hes da man! enufo3 [2k\]: except mb wf ] ;W[ms]WL[639.011]C[rsun [5d\]: what is the prize? Goprince [5d\]: f2 g2 g1 g3 f1 h1 h2 k1 k2 e1 Warfreak2 [4d\]: why k1 rsun [5d\]: do you know, gogo? Warfreak2 [4d\]: just k2 Goprince [5d\]: right Warfreak2 [4d\]: don't be a numpty jinroo [2d?\]: k1 wrong jinroo [2d?\]: yes spiritburd [1d\]: Free krispy creme donuts for a year ] ;B[or]BL[987.266]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: f5 instead of p2 ] ;W[am]WL[600.209]C[spiritburd [1d\]: Bot will miss thia Gigot [2k\]: white had to defend against m3 xerxes [1k\]: c7 :) rsun [5d\]: f5 Gigot [2k\]: sorry, no ftroiset [1k\]: f5 quite big Goprince [5d\]: f5 huge Holub [1k\]: m3 ? rsun [5d\]: alternatively, pass PinotNoir [1d\]: w F2 not a ko? PinotNoir [1d\]: but b to take 1st crash [1k\]: k2 defends n5 and is sente for e2 enufo3 [2k\]: m3 doesn't work because k2 sente Goprince [5d\]: no pinot spiritburd [1d\]: F2 not a ko SadPlayer [-\]: g3 Warfreak2 [4d\]: stop saying f2, people xerxes [1k\]: f2 enufo3 [2k\]: :D Goprince [5d\]: lol kendama [3k\]: b n5? rsun [5d\]: press f1 for help JIeBuc [4d\]: f2 dead xerxes [1k\]: lol Ootakamoku [4d?\]: b can play f2 and still win weiqi5 [6k?\]: *censoring coordinate f2* GoRoGoRo [?\]: f2, people odif [3k\]: p5 PinotNoir [1d\]: i c now.. b got K2... Holub [1k\]: wut ? xerxes [1k\]: its not navy battle ? zaphodb [1d\]: f2 to rename? CuTy [2k\]: b18 ? weiqi5 [6k?\]: *rename f2 as black hole* Gigot [2k\]: I just tried F2, it does not do anything on cgoban. ] ;B[fo]BL[821.002]C[rsun [5d\]: fj read my comment JIeBuc [4d\]: thats cos u k2 Warfreak2 [4d\]: resign please ftroiset [1k\]: yes :-) spiritburd [1d\]: Lol Gigo weiqi5 [6k?\]: yeah, wanna party! PinotNoir [1d\]: f2 g2 g1 g3 f1 h1 h2 k2 rsun [5d\]: who's the organizer here? ] ;W[mb]WL[561.821]C[weiqi5 [6k?\]: I wonder where CS still seems potential now spiritburd [1d\]: N5 ] ;B[nd]BL[806.458]C[Goprince [5d\]: uh oh w about to resign Gigot [2k\]: N18 means resign? Goprince [5d\]: b has k12 now Yadeehoo [7k?\]: what if w e19? zaphodb [1d\]: about time weiqi5 [6k?\]: does he stil thinks that Q12 might be alive? PinotNoir [1d\]: yeah Goprince [5d\]: w just lsot alot of poitns PinotNoir [1d\]: when w play crazy moves like this... ] ;W[qb]WL[523.353]C[PinotNoir [1d\]: usually sign of resignation xerxes [1k\]: just wait for it JIeBuc [4d\]: maybe he ll survave enufo3 [2k\]: lolwat ] ;B[rc]BL[789.921]C[JIeBuc [4d\]: at least bettet than f2 Jazzman [1d\]: c18 will be clear sign for resignation :-) PinotNoir [1d\]: it is like they cant find the best move for a win... rsun [5d\]: usually bots start with a11 PinotNoir [1d\]: so they juz play randomly ] ;W[lb]WL[484.933]C[rsun [5d\]: and then t5, sth like that ] ;B[ja]BL[785.429]C[SadPlayer [-\]: b18 ? CuTy [2k\]: b18 rsun [5d\]: b18 a18 martin97 [-\]: e19 better zaphodb [1d\]: cs seems to use se to score^^ qpax [1d\]: b18 and f2 jokes are not funny anymore ] ;W[ma]WL[446.292] ;B[ka]BL[781.63]C[xerxes [1k\]: f2 ? JIeBuc [4d\]: no one care) Yadeehoo [7k?\]: what about the e19 joke? enufo3 [2k\]: they're so not funny that they are almost funny again xerxes [1k\]: i like the b18 joke YesChoboco [?\]: what is funny? JIeBuc [4d\]: its bettet than i15 ] ;W[ob]WL[407.43]C[Gigot [2k\]: No way white lives here. xerxes [1k\]: ill tell my grand kids rsun [5d\]: s18 xerxes [1k\]: once upon a time ] ;B[nc]BL[768.563]C[spacetime [4d\]: HUUUUMANS PinotNoir [1d\]: congrats to fj rsun [5d\]: what's the prize for this event? weiqi5 [6k?\]: it's interesting: there are now more people watching than at the German championship final round, I think! xerxes [1k\]: pride spiritburd [1d\]: When bots first came out in Go they had no chance now they are decent ] ;W[rb]WL[369.071] ;B[pc]BL[763.832]C[JIeBuc [4d\]: yeah Gigot [2k\]: there was not any monkey jump in this game. JIeBuc [4d\]: near 6d xerxes [1k\]: soon they will run simulations where humans are a tsumego problem PinotNoir [1d\]: now they r better than 95% of go players... ] ;W[pb]WL[330.796]C[weiqi5 [6k?\]: only 95%?!? JIeBuc [4d\]: i think 99% qpax [1d\]: much more than 95% ] ;B[sb]BL[754.947]C[dixxa: no animals (especially monkeys) were harmed during the course of this game JIeBuc [4d\]: probably even more weiqi5 [6k?\]: In Germany there are 2500 in a club. - fj is one of the four best. rsun [5d\]: but that's not yet 6 sigma JIeBuc [4d\]: how much ppl get 6d? dixxa: (exept maybe f2) ] ;W[cn]WL[292.086] ;B[fn]BL[750.728]C[enufo3 [2k\]: dixxa, you thought f2 actually worked. People were laughing at you, not with you. Yadeehoo [7k?\]: wut? spiritburd [1d\]: 2500? Thats a lot weiqi5 [6k?\]: a lower bound would be 4000 go player in Germany, than we talk about top 0.01% here! xerxes [1k\]: dixxa just were joking weiqi5 [6k?\]: *0.1% ] ;W[nb]WL[253.583]C[PinotNoir [1d\]: correction... maybe 98 or 99% Warfreak2 [4d\]: we are the 99% ] ;B[ra]BL[739.444]C[Gigot [2k\]: What is the real name of fg? CrazyStone [-\]: GTP Engine for CrazyStone (white): Crazy Stone version http://remi.coulom.free.fr/CrazyStone/ xerxes [1k\]: lol spiritburd [1d\]: Bot escape! rsun [5d\]: who is fg weiqi5 [6k?\]: cute, how white tries digging in the top right corner qpax [1d\]: omg, look! b18 kills black longshanks [17k?\]: franz enufo3 [2k\]: maybe disconnections destroyed cs' reading? spiritburd [1d\]: Gg xerxes [1k\]: gg RemiCoulom [4k?\]: .Thanks Xebo [4d\]: gg fj! Vogel [?\]: gratS! ToDie [3d\]: glückwunsch! rsun [5d\]: what's the prize, fj? gg zaphodb [1d\]: hooray fj [6d\]: thanks a lot weiqi5 [6k?\]: great, Glückwunsch, fj! :) RoadRunner [4d\]: congratz RemiCoulom [4k?\]: congratulations. matemato [3k\]: nice Leonidas [2k\]: hurray humanity!!! hurray fj! NiceGoAuth [-\]: thanks!!!! dxxd [1k\]: congrats, well done PinotNoir [1d\]: well done, fj, congrats rsun [5d\]: really, no prize? fj [6d\]: seems CS has had some connection issues today? Didier28 [2d?\]: thanks fj and Remi longshanks [17k?\]: Franz josef Amenophis [6k?\]: thx to fj and remi and congratulatiln HTakagi [4d?\]: gg GoRoGoRo [?\]: Congratulations! ergodicgo [-\]: ausgezeichnet! GoldenBear [2d\]: There is a small prize money, rsun... gogonuts [5d\]: Glückwunsch longshanks [17k?\]: well done! Amenophis [6k?\]: *congratulations fj rsun [5d\]: ok, that makes more sense zaphodb [1d\]: yeah didn't ever connect to game weiqi5 [6k?\]: Franz-Josef, defender of the human race! :D rsun [5d\]: I think the loser should be punished to play on kgs 24/7 ;) gogonuts [5d\]: 1 more year respite for amateur mankind ... RemiCoulom [4k?\]: First disconnection was a network problem. Second disconnection was because the first disconnection left an instance of CS running in the background, so it was using 50% CPU. Third disconnection was to make it resign ;-) enufo3 [2k\]: oh wow enufo3 [2k\]: see? fj [6d\]: i see enufo3 [2k\]: technical problems suck zaphodb [1d\]: oops weiqi5 [6k?\]: but humand can have a cold, too... ;) fj [6d\]: untypical start for a MC bot.. rsun [5d\]: so it was half as weak for 1/3 of the game? zaphodb [1d\]: so 50% make for about 5 stones fj [6d\]: I was surprised about H17 Leonidas [2k\]: at which move was the first disconnect? BOThater36 [4d\]: Yy weiqi5 [6k?\]: see you all! fj [6d\]: Anyway, thanks to Codecentric to make this happen GoldenBear [2d\]: Thanks a lot to Franz-Josef and Rémi! And congratulations for FJ for winning the codecentric go challenge 2014! fj [6d\]: It was a nice match zaphodb [1d\]: Remi did you tweak inbetween games? GoldenBear [2d\]: Indeed! fab [4d\]: what means codecentric ? fj [6d\]: though I had some sleepless nights after the first game RemiCoulom [4k?\]: Yes, thanks to everyone, it was fun to watch. rs220675 [1d\]: so did fj win the whole series? GoldenBear [2d\]: codecentric is the sponsor of the match RemiCoulom [4k?\]: No, I did not make any change. gogonuts [5d\]: lol, fj zaphodb [1d\]: i c GoldenBear [2d\]: See www.codecentric.de rsun [5d\]: remi, we need to reestablish cs's rank on kgs, don't you agree? RemiCoulom [4k?\]: I have no available machine right now. RemiCoulom [4k?\]: Running this from my desktop. rsun [5d\]: lol longshanks [17k?\]: fj:i would have too! GoldenBear [2d\]: And you can replay all games of the match at go.codecentric.de GoldenBear [2d\]: Thanks for watching to all! RemiCoulom [4k?\]: When I get a good machine, I'll probably connect it again. longshanks [17k?\]: Remi is this the same ersion of CS as commerically available? RemiCoulom [4k?\]: Thanks fj, thanks codecentric. longshanks [17k?\]: As I have CS2013 RemiCoulom [4k?\]: Yes, it is the same. fj [6d\]: thanks Remi gogonuts [5d\]: thanks to you all zaphodb [1d\]: thx indeed longshanks [17k?\]: remi. great GoRoGoRo [?\]: Thanks Remi RemiCoulom [4k?\]: I was using CS2013 in this match, in fact. fj [6d\]: keep up the good work longshanks [17k?\]: I might go play it now. Bye all. well done again! rsun [5d\]: no CS2014 this year? RemiCoulom [4k?\]: The new experimental version is improved, but not in a stable state. fj [6d\]: looking forward to the 20145 (or 15) version RemiCoulom [4k?\]: We are working on a new release. longshanks [17k?\]: remi: when will it gain consciousness? rsun [5d\]: can we get discount upgrades RemiCoulom [4k?\]: I don't do the selling stuff. I can't tell much, sorry. longshanks [17k?\]: you know become sentient. rsun [5d\]: np, thx longshanks [17k?\]: remi: good work, nevertheless. RemiCoulom [4k?\]: thanks RemiCoulom [4k?\]: Bye everyone. fj [6d\]: have a good rest of the weekend! rsun [5d\]: au revoir fj [6d\]: bye longshanks [17k?\]: fj: go get a beer! :) ])